Monday, March 18, 2013

Problem of Suffering Solved: Why God Has to allow suffering

Why it is Immoral for God(YHWH) not to directly allow then stop suffering.

Now before we start key words, Directly and Indirectly.

Directly prevent means, God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) prevents suffering by appearing.

Indirectly means He prevents or ends suffering Indirectly but through human beings or other resources which wouldn't break free will.

God is YHWH(Who is The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) and this a fact that I'll debate anyone against, so for all those of other religions I consider you "atheist"'s for rejecting The Real God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

Lets get straight desert with the point,

2 Scenario's,

Scenario 1:

I prevent person A from tripping,  and because of that a majority of humanity dies and Person A never learns to watch their step

Scenario 2, I allow someone to trip, they learn from that and because of allowing it someone else lives.

Which is immoral, 1 or 2? Obvious 1, I should have allowed a person A to trip for 2 reasons, 1 to prevent this person from tripping again as this person will learn from this accident to watch his step, and 2, others get to live.

Now that was just a Scenario to make the Real examples easy to understand.


Example 1, God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows finite suffering, the suffering prevents the sufferer from ever doing evil as they learn evil causes what they hated which was suffering(thus living with YHWH for eternity) and another person gets to live as they can repent.

Example 2, God prevents finite suffering, The Sufferer doesn't learn from suffering thus somewhere in eternity sins and causes more suffering, by the prevention Free Will is broken, and others cannot repent, thus for the prevention of this finite suffering, someone dies for all eternity and never gets a chance at Eternal life.

Which is moral and which is immoral? If you are a Moral person then obvious Example 1 is Moral and 2 is Immoral,

what does this have to do with Theodicy?

Well if God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows someone to suffer, that person experiences suffering, why is that a good thing? well by experiencing the suffering, and knowing that sin causes suffering, if the person when they reach Heaven/The New Earth, since they know they have it all(In Heaven) and know how it is to suffer, they will not sin again, and thus suffering is ended for all eternity

So right there is it Moral for God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) to allow suffering, as this would prevent them from sinning, thus allowing them to live for eternity, and preventing further evil(Lack of good, suffering, Sin)

Also by allowing suffering free will isn't broken, if God(YHWH) prevents a finite suffer, then He must appear, if He appears an evil person can never truly repent, as they would never be sorry but just wanting God(Imagine n evil mobster, never repents, isn't sorry for his evil, then Jesus Christ appears and he acts all sorry, eg, Matthew 7:22-23, Jesus Christ "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"), and if that evil person cannot repent they will be judged to eternal punishment(Annihilation).

1 Fact we know as True, when Jesus Christ returns to Save us, our past suffering won't be a big deal, 


Romans 8 - 

Present Suffering and Future Glory

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our heartsknows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Revelation 21:4 -  ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[a] or mourning or crying or pain,for the old order of things has passed away.”



Now since all the suffering will be like a pinch, why then should someone else die for all eternity because one couldn't suffer? if one suffers finite, then they will not sin ever again, live happily for eternity(if they repent), and another can repent of their sin and evil.


How is allowing suffering and THEN ending it, evil? I would argue Not Allowing and then ending it is evil, God has to allow finite suffering until a right time, and then end it(Second Coming of Jesus Christ) all at once.


So if God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) directly allows suffering(doesn't cause but allows), He creates an Eternity for them and their free will as they won't ever sin again, allows others the chance to Repent due to His mercy thus allowing Eternal life for them, and ends Suffering for All Eternity.


If God prevents finite suffering(say for example rape), then another person cannot repent and will cease to exist for forever, that potential rape victim will eventually sin and potentially never repent thus also dying, and suffering will go on in a cycle forever and ever.


It is therefore Immoral for God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) to Directly prevent suffering and Moral for God(YHWH) to Directly allow and the end(all at once) suffering.


Also we could argue that God by not directly preventing suffering doesn't really allow suffering since The Suffering will only be finite and be like a pinch(as Paul said it's not worthy to compare), also God doesn't Really allow suffering, He just directly doesn't prevent it, He Indirectly(one of the key words) prevents it through humanity(The Father, and The Son and The Holy Spirit is The One that causes one to do good)


So recap, God is Moral for directly allowing suffering for these reasons,


1, it prevents the sufferer from ever sinning again when Saved, thus allowing them to live eternally and preventing suffering for all eternity(and the cycle of it)


2, allows another to repent as free will wouldn't be broken by the prevention and the person can repent, they repent and live forever, thus it is moral to allow finite suffering(which will be no big deal one day) so that the sufferer and another person live forever with God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit), without suffering, sin, and death, and this is Directly in line with The Bible, watch this,


2 Corinthians 4:17 

For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison


Now keep this in mind, as Jesus Christ our Lord and God(YHWH) said,



 "A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world."


Now that is WHILE we are in suffering and the suffering feels bad, now imagine no more death, suffering, pain, etc, and the suffering was no big deal, and it prevents you from sinning and suffering, and it allows another to repent and live forever.


It is therefore proven to be Immoral if God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) prevents suffering directly(by appearing) and is Moral for God(YHWH) to directly allow and then end all suffering.



We one the other hand have an obligation to prevent suffering as if we allow suffering, then we cause evil as we  allowing it has no benefit, while if God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit)  allows suffering all He gives is the benefits listed above, and if He prevents it He causes suffering.

Jesus Christ is no doubt The LORD(YHWH),

Theodicy has been given, Problem of Suffering is solved and "atheism" has no arguments.

Now since God(YHWH: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) has an infinite amount of possible reasons to allow suffering, and this is at least the Very Least reason, which is completely possible and valid, this therefore means if this ain't the reason then there is another and better reason being used.

I Thank YHWH who is The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit for giving me OCD and allowing that suffering as it enables me to seek Him(YHWH) and His Word(The Bible) which causes me(By The Power of The Holy Spirit) to refute "atheism" completely and has caused me to answer The Problem which has caused so many to stumble, The Problem of Suffering.

Now that it is solved no one has an excuse.


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