Thursday, October 17, 2013

Refuting Atheist Dan Barker Quote about Love

Lets refute atheist Dan Barker's quote about love, what he said about love is a lie and his claims against Christianity are false, his quote,

"

  1. I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that iscontingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and amiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being. [Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith]"
"Love is not self denial."

It can be, especially when you want to Harm others, you need to deny Harming others, it is Self Denial when you tend to harm, 

however anything such as Self-Pleasure, Happiness and etc that do not harm others, those have nothing to do with Self denial, as Christianity NEVER asks you to deny that,


 in fact The Bible says that Laws such as Do Not taste, Do Not Touch, Do Not Handle, Self Punishment, Self Denial, and Harsh treatment of the Body are of The World, of Secular Society, they are not of God.

Colossians 2:20-23 - "20 If you have died with Christ [x]to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish [y]with use)—in accordance with thecommandments and teachings of men? 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the [z]appearance of wisdom in [aa]self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence."

"Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity."

Which is absolutely Nowhere in the Bible, Penal Substitution is Unbiblical, 




" Love is not hatred or wrath"

Exactly, which is what YHWH Does not do, for He even loves His enemies, 

Matthew 5:42-48 - "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may [a]be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore [b]you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."


" consigning billions of people to eternal torture"

Eternal Torment is Unbiblical and Nowhere found in The Bible, Punishment for sin is Death, Eternal Fire -= Annihilation, Jude 1:7, which involved No Pain(As Stoning in Jewish times was contructed to be painless, once again proving that Justice isn't Retributive but Restorative in Bible)

Check out RethinkingHell.com for more

" because they have offended your ego "

No, because they Harmed, as that is what sin Is, http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-is-sin.html

 nowhere does it say you die for your sins because you offended an Ego, God has no Ego, He knows who He is, His Glory matters because it Saves others, if you lie about Him and accuse Him of evil things, damaging how He is viewed, how can anyone come to Him for Eternal Life?

By falsely accusing Him you harm alot of people Dan Barker, as you deceive them into thinking of Him as evil, when He is not, preventing them from wanting Him, Life.

 and you certainly lied when you claimed to understand love.

YHWH is the Most Humble, who Humbled Himself so much so that He died for everyone on the class, so that they Change and Stop Sinning.

Sin is harm, it isn't some arbitrary secular ego-filled society controlling rule based on emotion, it's Do not harm, plain and simple, it's based on... YHWH's Love for us, He doesn't want us, Free Willed beings, to harm each other or hate life, He wants us to choose life and choose peace and love.

" disobeyed your rules."

Rules which are all summed up in this, 

Matthew 7:12 - ""In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this IS the Law and the Prophets."




basically Do Not Harm and love others, nothing more, nothing less.

" Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission."

Of course it is, in order to Love you have to submit to Laws such as Not Driving Under the Influence, such as Do not Murder, all these are designed to Prevent Harm, you have to be obedient, conform and submit to Not Harming others, failing to do so... is not Love, it is Evil.

See? obeying, conforming and submitting isn't always wrong, you have to obey not harming in order to love, you need to obey not being a slave, to be Free, Galatians 5


As a matter of fact if we did not conform to laws such as, Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, then we do not love, and that makes your sentence absurd, Love absolutely requires submission, and the submission is not burden(1 John 5:3), it's so simple, Do Not Harm another, Love one another.

"It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward."

All of which The Bible is against,

Against being upon Compulsion,

2 Corinthians 9:7 - "Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver"

1 Peter 5:2 - "shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness".

Against being upon Punishment,

1 John 4:18 - "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear [a]involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love."

Upon even Reward oriented rather than Love

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return ; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High ; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men."

Giving instead on Genuineness.


" True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being. "

Which is what The Bible teaches, All summed up in Matthew 7:12:

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this IS the Law and the Prophets." - YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

Matthew 22:34-40 "But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”


I'll tell you what's not Love Dan Barker, Lying is not Love, now whether you deliberately lied or not, you gave out lies, which can take people away from truth, accusing Bible of not being about Love, when clearly The Law is to Love, Matthew 7:12.

Dan Barker is a fraud and attempted to use The Bible Own Doctrine of Love against The Bible, and the attempt failed as no lie can be hidden with YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

As I think there's no way I can see how Love can exists without YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit), as without Him, Morals would not be Objective. 

Love requires Objective Morality, as if Morality were Subjective, then love would be as well... however Love is unchanging.

Galatians 5:22-23 "22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is No Law(Matthew 7:12)."

YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) is indeed Love(1 John 4:8), only He can give such a perfect Law like Matthew 7:12.


Romans 13:8-10 - "Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves [a]his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love [b]does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."

What is Sin?

Contrary to popular belief, Sin is not anything Pleasurable, Delightful or Wonderful, lets get to the chase,

1 John 3:4-10


" Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [b]knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [c]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is [d]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [e]born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: [f]anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one whodoes not love his brother.

So sin is basically Lawlessness/Breaking God's law.



Now what is The Law?

Matthew 22:34-40 - "But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” - God(YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)


Matthew 7:12 - "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this Is the Law and the Prophets." - YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)


So to sin is to Break The Law, which is Treat others the same way you would want them to treat you, it's to break The Law which is to Love Everyone.


Sin is to harm another, plain and simple.

So no, no matter what any atheist, unbeliever, so called believer says, sin in Christianity is Not anti-pleasure or an imaginary concept


It's not Fun, and it's Real

Sin is basically... Harm.


I'll end with Colossians 2:20-23 - "If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence."(This passage proves that flesh doesn't mean literal flesh, but is a term, flesh means Harm. we should not indulge in harming other people)

Tuesday, October 8, 2013

Common Atheism Internet Memes Refuted

Here's the link to rebuttal by a Tremendous Blogger, Blog is called, Well Spent Journey, refutes all atheist memes such as it refutes Myth Theory, refutes Similarities to false "gods",  here's the link http://wellspentjourney.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/devastating-arguments-against-christianity-courtesy-of-the-internet/


Tuesday, August 13, 2013

Evolution is not a Fact

Evolution is Not a Fact, it is not proven to be the case or demonstrated to have occur.

"(scientific fact) an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final).


This has never been the case with Evolution, One Species has never been observed to evolve into a New/Different Species. The atheist will likely reply with the fact that Micro-Evolution has been observed, but this is not proof, How so?

All it proves is that a Species can improve and adapt to it's environment, Not evolve into a New Species.

Unless One Species is Observed and Repeatedly Confirmed to Evolve into a New/Different Species, Evolution is not a Fact, not even a Theory, as no Evidence has been found for it.


So when an atheist tells you that Evolution is a (Scientific)Fact, you ask, "Has One Species been observed to Evolve into a New/Different Species?"

if they reply with Micro-evolution, you tell that person, "This proves one species can adapt to it's environment, and stays the same species, this is not Observation of One Species Evolving into a New/Different Species"

If they reply saying, "It takes millions/billions of years, we can't observe it"

you say, "Then Macro-evolution will never be a Scientific Fact and one cannot ever say Evolution is a (Scientific)Fact"

When someone says that Evolution is a fact they either may be lying, lack knowledge of science or deceived.


Sunday, May 26, 2013

Open Theism Omniscience proven: Refuting Matt Slick

Now I disagree with most of Open Theism such as YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) changing His mind or regretting a decision as He is Omniscient & Omnipotent,  Lets refute Matt Slick's(Calvinist by the way, clearly rejects The Holy Spirit) article:

he writes,


11. "Since God is not restricted by time, and since He is omnipresent, then the future is a present reality with God.

  1. Remember, since God created the universe and time, He is not restricted to time or by time."
      Agreed.

B. Also, time is irrelevant to God's nature and existence since God has existed before time existed."

Here lies the fundamental error, The future cannot be a present reality as it is what it is... The Future, it doesn't exist yet. it certainly is a Possibility and YHWH with His Omniscience knows what can(key word) happen and make it happen, but the future doesn't exist until it happens, just like the past no longer exists but are only a recollection(Things of . the future is only set in stone if we are preplanned, however this is Unbiblical as Free Will is a Fact in The Bible,



Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve ; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions ? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him . And the people answered him not a word.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life , that both thou and thy seed may live:


 it is therefore as much as a Logical Impossibility for something to exist and not exist at the same time as it is for the future to be known, it can be predicted, but it still doesn't exist, Time is Linear, Future is down the line, hasn't happened, if it was happening we would be there, it doesn't exist yet, this is the basis of Time, Change, when something changes it is no longer how it used to be, if it is no longer how it used to be then that former event no longer exists, likewise if something is a square it is a square, it CAN turn into a circle, but that event doesn't exist yet, if it did then it would be there.



So logically Matt Slick is refuted by the fact that the future doesn't exist yet. thus YHWH is Omniscient without knowing what will happen, as since the future does not exist yet, 


There's nothing to know! 

Wednesday, May 22, 2013

"The Bible was made to Control People"...

... And that folks is one of greatest lies anyone can ever write, imply or utter, if an "atheist" is going to lie to us(and I mean EVERYONE, this is a lie even to an Un-believer) then they might as well not debate, because they expose what they feel.

 From Bible Law, CLEARLY it was not made to control people, Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself people! what did Jesus Christ(The Creator of Us and The Law) say that The Law is about?




   Matthew 22: 34But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.35One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him,36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’38“This is the great and foremost commandment.39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” - The LORD Jesus Christ


The only Possible reasons someone can say something like this is due to,


1, They confuse PHARISEE Laws(Catholics, Baptists, Protestants) aka Man-made Laws for Real Biblical Laws, telling you right now, if you believe that any of the following is a Sin, you need to do a Long Proper Study and then Repent,


- Homosexuality

-Premarital Sex
-Lust/Sexual Thought/Sexual Attraction

Because none of those are a sin in YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) Word, they are man made human laws, 


What does The Bible(If people just READ) say about Human Tradition?


Colossians 2:8 - See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.


Colossians 2:20If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”22(which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?23These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.


Stop being an "atheist", "Atheism" Anti-Gay, Anti-Premarital Sex, Anti-Sex is Death Bound.


Whoever says The Bible was made to "Control people" you link them here or use Colossians 2, they jerk people around with this lie, and by saying it they demonstrate that they have not read The Bible as they claim and they expose themselves as a Charlatan, also they see Atheist doctrines such as No Premarital Sex, Lust, Homosexuality as if it's in The Bible demonstrating that they did not properly study.


"atheism" is dying people, which is good, more folks go to Heaven with Jesus Christ, not worth to die and go nonexistent because you refused The Truth which is clear(Romans 1:18-20)



Sunday, May 19, 2013

Hitler was Not a Christian


And this a Fact, what did Jesus Christ say?

Matthew 7:21 ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" - Jesus Christ

So whoever is Lawless and does not do The Father's Will(Good, His Law) is not going to Heaven.

Here are a few laws Hitler broke, 

Exodus 20:13 - You shall not murder

Hitler did this.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Hitler did this

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

YHWH causes the sun to rise on the good and evil, allows evil people to live and He allows suffering just so evil people can repent(http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/03/problem-of-suffering-solved-why-it-is.html ), John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2 explains it all.

So was Hitler a Christian? Hell No, he hated Jews instead of loving them and praying for them, he murdered Jews and overall was just a sick person with a Darwin survival of "best"/eliminate different Philosophy, EVEN if he wasn't a Darwinist.

Hitler did not love his neighbor as himself, something Jesus Christ said Summed up the law,

Matthew 22:37-40 "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." - Jesus Christ

Hitler did not love his neighbor as himself, and for this reason he didn't Love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

What did Jesus Christ say, John 14:21 - "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them." - Jesus Christ

John 14:15 - "If you love me, keep my commands." - Jesus Christ

John 15:10 -  If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love." - Jesus Christ

1 John 5:3 - "In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome," - John by The Holy Spirit(YHWH)

2 John 1:6 - "And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love." -  John by The Holy Spirit

Hitler, was Factually not a Christian, so that argument goes out the window he didn't obey The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit whom he claimed to worship, thus, did not follow Christianity, there's no way around this, Matthew 7:21 refutes Hitler being a Christian.

Now, Did Hitler believe The Bible to be True?

To that I say... Who cares?, Everyone knows The Bible is True, Romans 1:18-20 "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."  - Paul by The Holy Spirit

So what the Conclusion to the "atheist" who uses Hitler as an argument against Christianity,

1, According to The Bible Hitler was not a Christian nor did he love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

2, Even if Hitler believed in The Bible, doesn't matter, Bible says Everyone knows that YHWH exists, so you have no argument.

What was Hitler? Secular, he was without YHWH, didn't obey or love Him, and this is a Fact, if he did, so put him in the category with "atheist".

Saturday, May 18, 2013

Eternal Fire is Death, not Eternal Torment. (Hell, Lake of Fake)

Whoever told you Hell/Lake of Fire is Death, is not teaching Biblical Doctrine,

Jude 1:7 clearly says(and I'll post multiple translations)

King James Version - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


New International Version - In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.


English Standard Version - just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[a] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


New American Standard Bible - just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after [a]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [b]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.


Original Language,  ὡς Σόδομα καὶ Γόμορρα καὶ αἱ περὶ αὐτὰς πόλεις, τὸν ὅμοιον [a]τρόπον τούτοις ἐκπορνεύσασαι καὶ ἀπελθοῦσαι ὀπίσω σαρκὸς ἑτέρας, πρόκεινται δεῖγμα πυρὸς αἰωνίου δίκην ὑπέχουσαι.


So Sodom and Gomorrah are an Example of what eternal fire is, What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah? They were Annihilated, made Nonexistent.


Lake of Fire now, watch


Revelation 20:14 and I'll use the King James Version because of the King James Version Onlyist,


 Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Death is the Punishment of Sin, Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. don't make up definitions for the words, Death in Greek... Means Death, Death is not a "separate of Spirit and Body" this is an Atheist lie.


There's a Difference, Jesus Christ said, Matthew 25:46 - ""Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.""



The Lord(YHWH, Jesus Christ) didn't say they Both go to eternal life, no, evil go to Eternal Punishment(Death) while Only Righteous get Eternal Life, Eternal Life is the Reward, the ones punished do not get that reward, they don't want YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)/Life, so they don't get Him..

The Punishment of Sin is... Death, Bible says it, That settles it, hold to Universalism and you hold to immorality as not everyone will repent, Hold to Eternal Fire and you're either an "atheist" who Wants The Bible to have the Doctrine of Eternal Torment just so you have an excuse against The Bible, a Pharisee, or just an evil person who desires this.


YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) is Just, Punishment of Sin is fair, Death, 


Jeremiah 21:14 - "But I will punish you according to the fruit of your doings, saith the LORD: and I will kindle a fire in the forest thereof, and it shall devour(Devour, destroy, not go on for eternity) all things round about it."  - YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)


Also, Ezekiel 18:23 - "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD(YHWH). Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" - YHWH - The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit